Now that Iran, under the protection of Russia and the United States which would object now to an Israeli airstrike just as they did against Osirak and the Syrian nuclear reactor, has a nuclear reactor and enough fissile material to make plenty of dirty bombs and a real nuke in a few weeks or months, let the Russians and Americans pay for their stupidity. Now that Iran has real rather than fantasy weapons of mass destruction, the United States will stand by and do nothing except demand that Israel disarm herself. Of course Israel will pay in blood for American stupidity anyway but there’s nothing to be done about that except to strengthen her defenses as much as possible and be as absolutely independent as possible in every way from the West and other pro-Muslim countries such as Communist China. Israel has no obligations to the United States which repeatedly has acted over 62 years as an enemy or by its inaction when action was feasible and morally mandatory allowed millions of Jews and thousands of Israelis over the last 100 years to be murdered. If the U.S. wants even the slightest Israeli help, let them pay for it with concessions that make Israel stronger. In the 1950s Israel was a non-aligned nation. It should be one now.
Excellent information and analysis, and it is all true of course. The problem is that too many people have constructed their anti-Israel, anti-Jewish viewpoints based on emotion and not facts, and when someone’s views are based on emotion, facts and rational discussion generally do not persuade.
Anonymous, I agree in part. However, I also think that those who have anti-Israel views have been molded by a very biased media. If you scratch the surface of their emotions, you often find a lot of disinformation. In some cases, that information can be corrected. I’ve had a bit of success with a few folks, but it’s a long and tedious process that requires a lot of patience and attention to where there might be a place to make inroads. If anything less than our lives were at stake, I wouldn’t bother.
Interesting dilemma that Israel has …. puts me in the mind of a Christian’s dilemma ….”How much of a ‘Birth’ is a ‘New Birth’???” For a Christian to be ‘Reborn’… he must ‘die’ to Self …. totally .. that the LORD,God .. may rule & reign in his ‘earthly journey’ … by the Authority of HIS ‘Earthly’ name …. Whereas; the Nation of Israel appears to be concerned, as was ‘Gehazi’; that they are surrounded on every side by the ‘enemy’ …. because It’s(Israel’s) Eye has not yet been opened to the ‘Mighty One’ …
What you say is obviously true. Anyone can see it is true. The fact that intelligent people such as those who run the US State Dept, or other departments of Government in the US and in Europe do not see the obvious is what I find most disturbing.
If people deliberately believe a lie then I really question what they do believe and hope for, and what their true intentions are.
If people consistently shoot themselves in the foot one has to ask: what are they trying to achieve?
As long as Israel is wisely led, it will maintain regional stability. Israel will act decisively and unilaterally to protect its sovereignty, ipso facto.
This is all well & good, however, the West (Obama’s America included) are perfectly happy to sacrifice Israel to the Muslim world exactly the way appeasement-minded politicians sacrificed Czechoslovakia to Hitler. If you want to read a rather insightful essay, check out the Asia Times Online, an article by SPENGLER titled, ”How Radical Islam Might Defeat the West: A Reprise” –
Now the question is do we want to be the 21st Century Czechoslovakia & does the slogan, ”Never Again” really mean ”Maybe One More Time”?
Say what you want, but the fact remains that we are facing a potential Holocaust II & if we are nuked by Iran, we will also be attacked by Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Hamas, the Arabs in Judea & Samaria will join in, our own disloyal Arabs (those that survive) will most likely join in, & it is likely that our neighbors will find the temptation of a weakened Israel too great to resist – even Egypt & Jordan could very well attack us.
You can be sure that NO ONE will come to our aid. All we can expect are crocodile tears & plans for more memorials to dead Jews.
Terry
Which is why in event of a nuclear war Israel must be capable of smiting all her enemies at once.
When the worst happens, the Americans will say it’s sorta awful but after all you Jews deserved it by not giving the Arabs everything they want. And heck two wrongs don’t make a right and just because most of you got incinerated there’s no reason to incinerate those poor poor innocent Arabs and Iranians, furthermore we won’t help you rebuild what’s left of your country and we’ll shoot down any counterstrike we can.
Let’s not forget that in 1971 Syrian tanks were poised to enter Jordan. The US, then tied up in Vietnam, asked Israel to help prevent that. Israel sent a few fighter jets as a warning to Syrian troops; those troops promptly turned back.
Ah, those were the days – when Israel’s message to its neighbors was “Don’t mess with us.” Today’s message is, in contrast, apologetic and defensive. As a result, *everyone* messes with Israel.
I agree with your prespective, though it is probably more blunt and straight-forward than this world of spins tolerates. One thing never addressed – when America trusts Israel enough and gives it special, sensitive equipment, why does it turn around and sells it to countries to whom we never would (because they aren’t trustworthy or our unofficial enemies)?
That trust gets betrayed for Israel’s profit in some way. That hurts and makes people wary.
Your thoughts – and without any spin – please.
Has anybody noticed, whatever America is FOR Obama is AGAINST?
He has said he is a muslim. Biblical history tells us muslims hate Jews. Jacob (Israel) and Ishmael were brothers—-sons of Abraham. But Ishmael’s mother was an Egyptian.(Arab). Since their births, Arabs and Jews have been enemies. Arabs are muslims.
Obama will never be friendly to Israel. WE can see he is trying to distance America and Israel. If something doesnt change there, its going to get bad.
Israel now is in a good shape which Israelis minimize and less appreciating. The Israeli-US relations should be based on Israeli-American mutual interests and the unique contribution of Israel to the US national security, which is not discussed often in the open. The US is or was a close ally to Israel for at least the last 45 years, and thing can be changed. It has nothing to do with conservative or liberals but for the better global status of the US. Turning a cold shoulder now against Israel might hurt both allies’ interests for the short run and benefit Israel on the long run. What I mean is that Israel gets too much economic support from the US and it is the Israeli interest to gradually minimize that support and yet sustain the mutual military, scientist and intelligence close cooperation. That character of relation will put Israel in the global and Middle East arena more independent to express and manufacture her own national interest policy.
It might be strange to say, but it is quite true, that more than Israel needs the annual 3B$ assistance the US wants and prays to further continue that deal. (1) The US wants to keep Israel under her wings and maximizing her influence on Israel in order to gain more power in her foreign policy, especially towards the Arab state. Apart from the oil, the fact that the US is considered to be Israel’s patron makes her more important by the eyes of the Arab world, which wish to maximize pressure upon Israel. As far as the US close to Israel the more the Arabs can exercise the Americans to act in according to their interests. (2) The US enjoys the unique Israeli ability to translate knowledge into power. I mean that the advanced Israeli scientific and technological abilities are translated into military and technological advanced apparatus, products and high power double technologies which Israel shares with the US almost for free (f.e. “Arrow” missile, various avionic equipments, avionic missiles, electronic warfare gadgets etc.). This Israel’s contribution to the US equals at least as much the annual US assistance to Israel, while it is not mentioned publicly because of its secrecy nature and mainly the interests of the Americans.
Here is a quote of Jim Jones speech at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy: “I can also say from long experience that our security relationship with Israel is important for America. Our military benefits from Israeli innovations in technology, from shared intelligence, from exercises that help our readiness and joint training that enhances our capabilities and from lessons learned in Israel’s own battles against terrorism and asymmetric threats. “ (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-national-security-advisor-james-l-jones-washington-institute-near-east-poli ).
Why don’t you write some article on that matter on Jpost?
Regretably, this is not how the U.S. or Middle Eastern countries seem to see things.
Now that Iran, under the protection of Russia and the United States which would object now to an Israeli airstrike just as they did against Osirak and the Syrian nuclear reactor, has a nuclear reactor and enough fissile material to make plenty of dirty bombs and a real nuke in a few weeks or months, let the Russians and Americans pay for their stupidity. Now that Iran has real rather than fantasy weapons of mass destruction, the United States will stand by and do nothing except demand that Israel disarm herself. Of course Israel will pay in blood for American stupidity anyway but there’s nothing to be done about that except to strengthen her defenses as much as possible and be as absolutely independent as possible in every way from the West and other pro-Muslim countries such as Communist China. Israel has no obligations to the United States which repeatedly has acted over 62 years as an enemy or by its inaction when action was feasible and morally mandatory allowed millions of Jews and thousands of Israelis over the last 100 years to be murdered. If the U.S. wants even the slightest Israeli help, let them pay for it with concessions that make Israel stronger. In the 1950s Israel was a non-aligned nation. It should be one now.
From your mouth to Gods ears – as my mother used to say.
Excellent information and analysis, and it is all true of course. The problem is that too many people have constructed their anti-Israel, anti-Jewish viewpoints based on emotion and not facts, and when someone’s views are based on emotion, facts and rational discussion generally do not persuade.
Just one word of advice – the start frame should feature a photo of the speaker looking, um, awake and generally at her best.
Anonymous, I agree in part. However, I also think that those who have anti-Israel views have been molded by a very biased media. If you scratch the surface of their emotions, you often find a lot of disinformation. In some cases, that information can be corrected. I’ve had a bit of success with a few folks, but it’s a long and tedious process that requires a lot of patience and attention to where there might be a place to make inroads. If anything less than our lives were at stake, I wouldn’t bother.
Interesting dilemma that Israel has …. puts me in the mind of a Christian’s dilemma ….”How much of a ‘Birth’ is a ‘New Birth’???” For a Christian to be ‘Reborn’… he must ‘die’ to Self …. totally .. that the LORD,God .. may rule & reign in his ‘earthly journey’ … by the Authority of HIS ‘Earthly’ name …. Whereas; the Nation of Israel appears to be concerned, as was ‘Gehazi’; that they are surrounded on every side by the ‘enemy’ …. because It’s(Israel’s) Eye has not yet been opened to the ‘Mighty One’ …
What you say is obviously true. Anyone can see it is true. The fact that intelligent people such as those who run the US State Dept, or other departments of Government in the US and in Europe do not see the obvious is what I find most disturbing.
If people deliberately believe a lie then I really question what they do believe and hope for, and what their true intentions are.
If people consistently shoot themselves in the foot one has to ask: what are they trying to achieve?
As long as Israel is wisely led, it will maintain regional stability. Israel will act decisively and unilaterally to protect its sovereignty, ipso facto.
This is all well & good, however, the West (Obama’s America included) are perfectly happy to sacrifice Israel to the Muslim world exactly the way appeasement-minded politicians sacrificed Czechoslovakia to Hitler. If you want to read a rather insightful essay, check out the Asia Times Online, an article by SPENGLER titled, ”How Radical Islam Might Defeat the West: A Reprise” –
Now the question is do we want to be the 21st Century Czechoslovakia & does the slogan, ”Never Again” really mean ”Maybe One More Time”?
Say what you want, but the fact remains that we are facing a potential Holocaust II & if we are nuked by Iran, we will also be attacked by Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Hamas, the Arabs in Judea & Samaria will join in, our own disloyal Arabs (those that survive) will most likely join in, & it is likely that our neighbors will find the temptation of a weakened Israel too great to resist – even Egypt & Jordan could very well attack us.
You can be sure that NO ONE will come to our aid. All we can expect are crocodile tears & plans for more memorials to dead Jews.
Terry
Which is why in event of a nuclear war Israel must be capable of smiting all her enemies at once.
When the worst happens, the Americans will say it’s sorta awful but after all you Jews deserved it by not giving the Arabs everything they want. And heck two wrongs don’t make a right and just because most of you got incinerated there’s no reason to incinerate those poor poor innocent Arabs and Iranians, furthermore we won’t help you rebuild what’s left of your country and we’ll shoot down any counterstrike we can.
Let’s not forget that in 1971 Syrian tanks were poised to enter Jordan. The US, then tied up in Vietnam, asked Israel to help prevent that. Israel sent a few fighter jets as a warning to Syrian troops; those troops promptly turned back.
Ah, those were the days – when Israel’s message to its neighbors was “Don’t mess with us.” Today’s message is, in contrast, apologetic and defensive. As a result, *everyone* messes with Israel.
I agree with your prespective, though it is probably more blunt and straight-forward than this world of spins tolerates. One thing never addressed – when America trusts Israel enough and gives it special, sensitive equipment, why does it turn around and sells it to countries to whom we never would (because they aren’t trustworthy or our unofficial enemies)?
That trust gets betrayed for Israel’s profit in some way. That hurts and makes people wary.
Your thoughts – and without any spin – please.
Has anybody noticed, whatever America is FOR Obama is AGAINST?
He has said he is a muslim. Biblical history tells us muslims hate Jews. Jacob (Israel) and Ishmael were brothers—-sons of Abraham. But Ishmael’s mother was an Egyptian.(Arab). Since their births, Arabs and Jews have been enemies. Arabs are muslims.
Obama will never be friendly to Israel. WE can see he is trying to distance America and Israel. If something doesnt change there, its going to get bad.
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Obama and his ilk are a “Trojan Horse”. Why dont we “throw them out” as Iacocca says. How much longer are we going to stand by and just watch?
Israel now is in a good shape which Israelis minimize and less appreciating. The Israeli-US relations should be based on Israeli-American mutual interests and the unique contribution of Israel to the US national security, which is not discussed often in the open. The US is or was a close ally to Israel for at least the last 45 years, and thing can be changed. It has nothing to do with conservative or liberals but for the better global status of the US. Turning a cold shoulder now against Israel might hurt both allies’ interests for the short run and benefit Israel on the long run. What I mean is that Israel gets too much economic support from the US and it is the Israeli interest to gradually minimize that support and yet sustain the mutual military, scientist and intelligence close cooperation. That character of relation will put Israel in the global and Middle East arena more independent to express and manufacture her own national interest policy.
It might be strange to say, but it is quite true, that more than Israel needs the annual 3B$ assistance the US wants and prays to further continue that deal. (1) The US wants to keep Israel under her wings and maximizing her influence on Israel in order to gain more power in her foreign policy, especially towards the Arab state. Apart from the oil, the fact that the US is considered to be Israel’s patron makes her more important by the eyes of the Arab world, which wish to maximize pressure upon Israel. As far as the US close to Israel the more the Arabs can exercise the Americans to act in according to their interests. (2) The US enjoys the unique Israeli ability to translate knowledge into power. I mean that the advanced Israeli scientific and technological abilities are translated into military and technological advanced apparatus, products and high power double technologies which Israel shares with the US almost for free (f.e. “Arrow” missile, various avionic equipments, avionic missiles, electronic warfare gadgets etc.). This Israel’s contribution to the US equals at least as much the annual US assistance to Israel, while it is not mentioned publicly because of its secrecy nature and mainly the interests of the Americans.
Here is a quote of Jim Jones speech at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy: “I can also say from long experience that our security relationship with Israel is important for America. Our military benefits from Israeli innovations in technology, from shared intelligence, from exercises that help our readiness and joint training that enhances our capabilities and from lessons learned in Israel’s own battles against terrorism and asymmetric threats. “ (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-national-security-advisor-james-l-jones-washington-institute-near-east-poli ).
Why don’t you write some article on that matter on Jpost?