You described this as an operational failure on the IDF’s part.
Would you describe the IDF’s failure to defeat Hamas in Gaza January 2009 as an operational failure ?
The IDF’s failure to fefeat Hezbollah in Lebanon Summer 2006 ?
both done to please the US so as not to ‘harm’ their counterfeit peace scheme against Israel.
Have you noticed that since the IDF has been used against fellow Jewish citizens to implement the evil agenda of the Road Map (as we saw in the expulsion of Jews from their homes in Gaza to please Herr Bush) the IDF has been reduced to an organization of continuous operational failure ?
Turkey’s hardline Islamists with Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the vanguard, have subverted the country and used this so-called ‘Freedom Flotilla’ to demonstrate to its Iranian co-hegemonists, that Turkey can keep its boot on Israel’s neck. Israel’s robust and proportional intervention has thwarted this power-play.
This interview is worlds apart from the interview with Yitzchak Haleva the Chief Rabbi of Turkey. That rabbi at least could have chosen to remain silent but instead he chose to in no uncertain terms show that he was more Turkish than the Turks. He condemned Israel for making the provocation and then he assured us all that Turkish Jews are not being persecuted.
This is nothing different than Rabbis have ever done. They eternally make excuses for anti-Semites and put all the blame on the Jews. Scholars do not make leaders. The Rabbis led our people into the massacres of the Crusades. They led our people into the executions of the auto-da-fe in Spain. They led our people into the progroms of Russia. They led our people into the German extermination camps. May the Holy One bring these colluders with murderers into judgement.
Erdogan is an Islamist, first and foremost. That he wants to take lead in Islamic world is secondary to that. He created this provocation as much with the eye on his internal goals as on international ones: internally, it is to whip up the mobs frenzy and to consolidate their support and further silence the internal opposition by creating an external enemy focus of hate.
A classic move from the dictator’s handbook.
I continue to be shocked.
Bibi the Dhimmi has finally given a speech sounding like a leader, calling a spade a spade or rather a hate boat, a hate boat. He should have been giving this type of speech all this past year. But we’ll see what he does, giving up sucking up to the goyim is a harder habit to kick than cigarettes.
Yes, Turkey has now moved fully into the Islamic camp and the Erdogan government is obviously confident that Turkish secularists no longer can stop the Islamization of Turkey.
But Turkey is a relatively minor threat.
The goal of the NPT conference vote in NY is the real threat.
To de-legitimatize Israel is to seek to establish consensus upon the world stage that Israel has no right to exist. And if Israel doesn’t even have the right to exist, then she cannot have the right to defend herself.
Which opens the door to a world-wide embargo and blockade of Israel, which can only be established with US participation.
That is what the left is seeking and its successful implementation would greatly aid Islamic fanaticism.
Why does the left hate Israel so much? It doesn’t, at least no more than it hates any other capitalist, constitutional republic, founded upon individual liberty.
That is the Left’s real enemy because individual liberty protected by a constitutional republic operating in a capitalist economy is the primary obstacle to world-wide progressive socialism/communism.
Israel is viewed by the left as an opportunity; both to develop and refine the methods they are using against the US and as a means of appeasement of Islam. Islamic terrorists aren’t attacking Paris when their focus is Tel Aviv.
Which leads me back to the need for Israel to develop a strategy for neutralizing and deterring the threat of a nuclear Iran.
That strategy cannot focus solely upon Iran however because the primary result of Iran’s gaining the bomb is going to be greatly increased nuclear proliferation in the M.E.
Israel will face multiple potential nuclear threats within the region and probably in the next decade. Not to mention the threat of terrorist groups getting their hands on nukes.
No matter how strong Israel’s military or advanced its weaponry, it shall prove to be insufficient in the face of enemies eagerly seeking martyrdom and the ‘immortality’ of destroying Israel.
And the Samson option will provide no comfort to Israeli victims and little comfort to the few survivors of a destroyed Israel.
Deterrence relies upon the other side accepting that a credible threat exists, to something it is unwilling to lose. That deterrence becomes compelling when the enemy knows that the loss of what is cherished is certain, if they choose to engage in actions linked to that deterrence.
The one thing Islamic radicals cherish above all else is Islam, the focus of their fundamentalist religious fervor. But Islam is a set of beliefs and that can’t be physically threatened, nor should beliefs be threatened.
Islam does have it’s physical symbols however, like any other religion and Muslims place great importance upon theirs.
I propose to make the retention of their most cherished religious sites, dependent upon avoidance of serious conflict with Israel.
And make no mistake about it, Islam venerates with religious devotion and even fanaticism, Mecca, Medina and the Dome of the Rock.
Consider that pilgrimage to Mecca is the fifth pillar of Islam, a religious duty that for those who can afford to do so, must be carried out at least once in their lifetime by every able-bodied Muslim. Each year, during the Hajj, about two million Muslims visit Mecca. That’s serious devotion.
So, I’m proposing that Israel adopt a new doctrine that declares that Islam will be held accountable for any WMD attack upon Israel.
And that such an attack will be met with a nuclear attack upon Mecca and Medina and in Jerusalem, the demolition of the Dome of the Rock, Islam’s third holiest shrine.
That is well within Israel’s defensive capabilities and making it an explicit doctrine will have a real deterrent effect upon Muslims.
I base that assessment upon the behavior of Islam’s radical Imams and Mullahs, whose religious fanaticism has always been the primary factor driving Islam’s animus against Israel and the West. That fanaticism has its limits, because they never lead the assault, instead sending out their ‘useful idiots’ to act as ‘cannon fodder’ in their war against Israel.
What the Imams and Mullahs cherish is the trappings of Islam, which allow them to control Islam’s masses. But, if ‘Allah’ allows Israel (the hated Jew, enemy of Allah) to destroy Mecca, Medina and the Dome… how long will Islam’s masses look to the Imams for guidance and direction? It seems certain that the prospect of losing those sites would provide excellent motivation for the Imams and Mullahs to consider ‘modifying’ their fatwas and edicts against Israel.
Islam itself must be faced with a doctrine that makes Islam accountable and sends a new message; from this point forward, Islamic violence must have a limit or it will cost Islam an unthinkable price. And that, the greater the violence, the higher the cost shall be.
Face Islam with a new M.A.D., Mecca’s Assured Destruction…
The Israeli Navy commandos should be commended for their bravery and restraint in spite of the recent interdiction debacle. When the next attention-getting flotillas arrive, Israel needs to deal harshly with lawbreakers, and reestablish its strategic deterrence.
Steve said,
on June 2, 2010 10:15 AM
“This interview is worlds apart from the interview with Yitzchak Haleva the Chief Rabbi of Turkey. That rabbi at least could have chosen to remain silent but instead he chose to in no uncertain terms show that he was more Turkish than the Turks. He condemned Israel for making the provocation and then he assured us all that Turkish Jews are not being persecuted.
This is nothing different than Rabbis have ever done.
…May the Holy One bring these colluders with murderers into judgement.”
+++
Steve,
Your comment on the stance of the Chief Rabbi of Turkey reminded me of the rebuke, in Ezekiel 34
“….As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
…Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.”
‘To de-legitimatize Israel is to seek to establish consensus upon the world stage that Israel has no right to exist’ GB
I’ve been wondering where the idea of the paint guns came from ?
Looking at photos of the Border Police and Yassem’s atacks on fellow Jews of Amona I didn’t see any paintball guns ,only painful skull crusing batons.The JINO’s were all wearing protective helmets as they drw blod from the faithful Jewsih remnet who do not go along with the Globalist agenda of dismembering Israel.
When your own government serves the enemy and atacks the few remaining faithful Zionists and demonizes them you know that these are the last of the last days and the Jweish Messiah is returning soon.
When a people go out of their way to threat their enemies better than their own people,it’s
all over except for the remnant that God will save.
Your many enemies can see this malady that has weakened you to the point where they are emboldended to do whatever it takes because they know Israel is not willing to do the same.
Israel’s enemies and the world loves an Israel with paintball guns. Thank God it backfired,but will the idiots who thought this up be held responsible ?
This idea had to come from the tribe of treacherous betrayer JINO’s,the grasshopper gang.
Those Jews like Rham and Ehud already serve the Global Caliphate by their actions.
They might not get a paycheck but their action’s ALWAYS hurt Israel and help the enemy greatly.
The Anat Kamm and Larry Derfner Jews send signals that they would gladly betray their brothers to live under an Islamic Caliphate.
They justify their treachery as the ticket they need to have to be accepted by the conquering hordes from hell.
They’ll be the first to die at their hands,but the God of Israel will have His faithful remnant and the plague of small,faithless,evil JINO grasshopers will be no more.
What the Israeli commandos did was within their legal rights, and I commend them. Israel will always be condemned for any action taken for survival, but that is simply because we are hated as a democratic country and by extension a free people answerable only, in the end, to G-d. As for Rabbi Haleva of Turkey. Has anyone stopped to consider that this man might have been coerced into giving the statement he did?
Caroline, have you ever considered running for office? You have an outstanding knowledge of world affairs. I’ve learned so much in reading and listening to your comments as I’m sure have others. Be strong and keep up the good work. G-d’s blessings on you.
Thank you Walter but we had no shepherds because our country was destroyed by the Romans and now that we have a country again our shepherds can go back to feeding themselves.
I have just read how Bibi the Dhimmi didn’t return to Israel until he got permission from Abu Bama who didn’t want any dirty kikes defending themselves from his doorstep. Also I read that motormouth Joe let it slip that he thinks Israel had a right to defend herself and acted legally (I’m sure he’s getting another rebuke from Abu Bama) which was then followed by the wicked witch of the House, Nancy Pelosi, making a mealy mouthed statement dripping with moral equivalence of security concerns for both sides. I have also just read that Avi Lieberman is willing to lift the blockade if Shalit gets released. I hope he’s lying but it undercuts Israel’s determination not to let Hamas get as well armed as Hizbollah at the very least.
I may vomit.
Well a true leader has finally appeared in Israel in the form of a high school student who singlehandedly faced down an arab and american mob in front of the Israeli consulate in Los Angeles and then when the vicious Western press tried to intimidate him with their interrogation he gave a clear, utterly calm and rational, and uncompromising defense of Israel.
I wonder what’s wrong with the Czechs. I just heard they support Israel wholeheartedly. It must be something in the Pilzener beer.
You described this as an operational failure on the IDF’s part.
Would you describe the IDF’s failure to defeat Hamas in Gaza January 2009 as an operational failure ?
The IDF’s failure to fefeat Hezbollah in Lebanon Summer 2006 ?
both done to please the US so as not to ‘harm’ their counterfeit peace scheme against Israel.
Have you noticed that since the IDF has been used against fellow Jewish citizens to implement the evil agenda of the Road Map (as we saw in the expulsion of Jews from their homes in Gaza to please Herr Bush) the IDF has been reduced to an organization of continuous operational failure ?
Turkey’s hardline Islamists with Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the vanguard, have subverted the country and used this so-called ‘Freedom Flotilla’ to demonstrate to its Iranian co-hegemonists, that Turkey can keep its boot on Israel’s neck. Israel’s robust and proportional intervention has thwarted this power-play.
This interview is worlds apart from the interview with Yitzchak Haleva the Chief Rabbi of Turkey. That rabbi at least could have chosen to remain silent but instead he chose to in no uncertain terms show that he was more Turkish than the Turks. He condemned Israel for making the provocation and then he assured us all that Turkish Jews are not being persecuted.
This is nothing different than Rabbis have ever done. They eternally make excuses for anti-Semites and put all the blame on the Jews. Scholars do not make leaders. The Rabbis led our people into the massacres of the Crusades. They led our people into the executions of the auto-da-fe in Spain. They led our people into the progroms of Russia. They led our people into the German extermination camps. May the Holy One bring these colluders with murderers into judgement.
Erdogan is an Islamist, first and foremost. That he wants to take lead in Islamic world is secondary to that. He created this provocation as much with the eye on his internal goals as on international ones: internally, it is to whip up the mobs frenzy and to consolidate their support and further silence the internal opposition by creating an external enemy focus of hate.
A classic move from the dictator’s handbook.
I continue to be shocked.
Bibi the Dhimmi has finally given a speech sounding like a leader, calling a spade a spade or rather a hate boat, a hate boat. He should have been giving this type of speech all this past year. But we’ll see what he does, giving up sucking up to the goyim is a harder habit to kick than cigarettes.
Yes, Turkey has now moved fully into the Islamic camp and the Erdogan government is obviously confident that Turkish secularists no longer can stop the Islamization of Turkey.
But Turkey is a relatively minor threat.
The goal of the NPT conference vote in NY is the real threat.
To de-legitimatize Israel is to seek to establish consensus upon the world stage that Israel has no right to exist. And if Israel doesn’t even have the right to exist, then she cannot have the right to defend herself.
Which opens the door to a world-wide embargo and blockade of Israel, which can only be established with US participation.
That is what the left is seeking and its successful implementation would greatly aid Islamic fanaticism.
Why does the left hate Israel so much? It doesn’t, at least no more than it hates any other capitalist, constitutional republic, founded upon individual liberty.
That is the Left’s real enemy because individual liberty protected by a constitutional republic operating in a capitalist economy is the primary obstacle to world-wide progressive socialism/communism.
Israel is viewed by the left as an opportunity; both to develop and refine the methods they are using against the US and as a means of appeasement of Islam. Islamic terrorists aren’t attacking Paris when their focus is Tel Aviv.
Which leads me back to the need for Israel to develop a strategy for neutralizing and deterring the threat of a nuclear Iran.
That strategy cannot focus solely upon Iran however because the primary result of Iran’s gaining the bomb is going to be greatly increased nuclear proliferation in the M.E.
Israel will face multiple potential nuclear threats within the region and probably in the next decade. Not to mention the threat of terrorist groups getting their hands on nukes.
No matter how strong Israel’s military or advanced its weaponry, it shall prove to be insufficient in the face of enemies eagerly seeking martyrdom and the ‘immortality’ of destroying Israel.
And the Samson option will provide no comfort to Israeli victims and little comfort to the few survivors of a destroyed Israel.
Deterrence relies upon the other side accepting that a credible threat exists, to something it is unwilling to lose. That deterrence becomes compelling when the enemy knows that the loss of what is cherished is certain, if they choose to engage in actions linked to that deterrence.
The one thing Islamic radicals cherish above all else is Islam, the focus of their fundamentalist religious fervor. But Islam is a set of beliefs and that can’t be physically threatened, nor should beliefs be threatened.
Islam does have it’s physical symbols however, like any other religion and Muslims place great importance upon theirs.
I propose to make the retention of their most cherished religious sites, dependent upon avoidance of serious conflict with Israel.
And make no mistake about it, Islam venerates with religious devotion and even fanaticism, Mecca, Medina and the Dome of the Rock.
Consider that pilgrimage to Mecca is the fifth pillar of Islam, a religious duty that for those who can afford to do so, must be carried out at least once in their lifetime by every able-bodied Muslim. Each year, during the Hajj, about two million Muslims visit Mecca. That’s serious devotion.
So, I’m proposing that Israel adopt a new doctrine that declares that Islam will be held accountable for any WMD attack upon Israel.
And that such an attack will be met with a nuclear attack upon Mecca and Medina and in Jerusalem, the demolition of the Dome of the Rock, Islam’s third holiest shrine.
That is well within Israel’s defensive capabilities and making it an explicit doctrine will have a real deterrent effect upon Muslims.
I base that assessment upon the behavior of Islam’s radical Imams and Mullahs, whose religious fanaticism has always been the primary factor driving Islam’s animus against Israel and the West. That fanaticism has its limits, because they never lead the assault, instead sending out their ‘useful idiots’ to act as ‘cannon fodder’ in their war against Israel.
What the Imams and Mullahs cherish is the trappings of Islam, which allow them to control Islam’s masses. But, if ‘Allah’ allows Israel (the hated Jew, enemy of Allah) to destroy Mecca, Medina and the Dome… how long will Islam’s masses look to the Imams for guidance and direction? It seems certain that the prospect of losing those sites would provide excellent motivation for the Imams and Mullahs to consider ‘modifying’ their fatwas and edicts against Israel.
Islam itself must be faced with a doctrine that makes Islam accountable and sends a new message; from this point forward, Islamic violence must have a limit or it will cost Islam an unthinkable price. And that, the greater the violence, the higher the cost shall be.
Face Islam with a new M.A.D., Mecca’s Assured Destruction…
The Israeli Navy commandos should be commended for their bravery and restraint in spite of the recent interdiction debacle. When the next attention-getting flotillas arrive, Israel needs to deal harshly with lawbreakers, and reestablish its strategic deterrence.
Steve said,
on June 2, 2010 10:15 AM
“This interview is worlds apart from the interview with Yitzchak Haleva the Chief Rabbi of Turkey. That rabbi at least could have chosen to remain silent but instead he chose to in no uncertain terms show that he was more Turkish than the Turks. He condemned Israel for making the provocation and then he assured us all that Turkish Jews are not being persecuted.
This is nothing different than Rabbis have ever done.
…May the Holy One bring these colluders with murderers into judgement.”
+++
Steve,
Your comment on the stance of the Chief Rabbi of Turkey reminded me of the rebuke, in Ezekiel 34
“….As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
…Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.”
‘To de-legitimatize Israel is to seek to establish consensus upon the world stage that Israel has no right to exist’ GB
I’ve been wondering where the idea of the paint guns came from ?
Looking at photos of the Border Police and Yassem’s atacks on fellow Jews of Amona I didn’t see any paintball guns ,only painful skull crusing batons.The JINO’s were all wearing protective helmets as they drw blod from the faithful Jewsih remnet who do not go along with the Globalist agenda of dismembering Israel.
When your own government serves the enemy and atacks the few remaining faithful Zionists and demonizes them you know that these are the last of the last days and the Jweish Messiah is returning soon.
When a people go out of their way to threat their enemies better than their own people,it’s
all over except for the remnant that God will save.
Your many enemies can see this malady that has weakened you to the point where they are emboldended to do whatever it takes because they know Israel is not willing to do the same.
Israel’s enemies and the world loves an Israel with paintball guns. Thank God it backfired,but will the idiots who thought this up be held responsible ?
This idea had to come from the tribe of treacherous betrayer JINO’s,the grasshopper gang.
Those Jews like Rham and Ehud already serve the Global Caliphate by their actions.
They might not get a paycheck but their action’s ALWAYS hurt Israel and help the enemy greatly.
The Anat Kamm and Larry Derfner Jews send signals that they would gladly betray their brothers to live under an Islamic Caliphate.
They justify their treachery as the ticket they need to have to be accepted by the conquering hordes from hell.
They’ll be the first to die at their hands,but the God of Israel will have His faithful remnant and the plague of small,faithless,evil JINO grasshopers will be no more.
What the Israeli commandos did was within their legal rights, and I commend them. Israel will always be condemned for any action taken for survival, but that is simply because we are hated as a democratic country and by extension a free people answerable only, in the end, to G-d. As for Rabbi Haleva of Turkey. Has anyone stopped to consider that this man might have been coerced into giving the statement he did?
Caroline, have you ever considered running for office? You have an outstanding knowledge of world affairs. I’ve learned so much in reading and listening to your comments as I’m sure have others. Be strong and keep up the good work. G-d’s blessings on you.
Thank you Walter but we had no shepherds because our country was destroyed by the Romans and now that we have a country again our shepherds can go back to feeding themselves.
I have just read how Bibi the Dhimmi didn’t return to Israel until he got permission from Abu Bama who didn’t want any dirty kikes defending themselves from his doorstep. Also I read that motormouth Joe let it slip that he thinks Israel had a right to defend herself and acted legally (I’m sure he’s getting another rebuke from Abu Bama) which was then followed by the wicked witch of the House, Nancy Pelosi, making a mealy mouthed statement dripping with moral equivalence of security concerns for both sides. I have also just read that Avi Lieberman is willing to lift the blockade if Shalit gets released. I hope he’s lying but it undercuts Israel’s determination not to let Hamas get as well armed as Hizbollah at the very least.
I may vomit.
Well a true leader has finally appeared in Israel in the form of a high school student who singlehandedly faced down an arab and american mob in front of the Israeli consulate in Los Angeles and then when the vicious Western press tried to intimidate him with their interrogation he gave a clear, utterly calm and rational, and uncompromising defense of Israel.
I wonder what’s wrong with the Czechs. I just heard they support Israel wholeheartedly. It must be something in the Pilzener beer.